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Zappos: A Workplace Where No One And Everyone Is The Boss

Jul 21, 2015
Originally published on July 22, 2015 1:43 pm

Jacqui Gonzalez once spent an hour and a half on the phone helping a customer. The Zappos.com employee enjoys being generous with the online shoe retailer's money, sending gift baskets and thank-you cards to people whose complaints she has solved.

And mostly, she's grateful that she doesn't have a manager to consult in making those decisions.

"We don't have to put someone on hold and ask permission," says the former customer service agent, who is now a tour guide at the company. "We don't have a manager that you need to be transferred to. How refreshing is that?"

Such is life at Zappos, which has adopted a system of self-governance that effectively has eliminated all management. This spring, CEO Tony Hsieh — an entrepreneur known for his opinions on management — sent an all-staff email explaining how the entire company was embracing a concept known as "holacracy."

Holacracy is based on a term and concept coined by anti-totalitarian political writer Arthur Koestler. Its central tenets include individual autonomy and self-governance. In a holacracy, employees aren't told how to work. Instead, they belong to voluntary groups called "circles," or peers who help vet new ideas or problems. Everyone has equal say, and employees are evaluated and rewarded by peers, instead of by a boss.

At Zappos, those who didn't wish to participate could take a buyout; 14 percent of the company's 1,600 employees took the offer.

Holacracy's complicated lingo and structure can be hard to get used to. But those who remain at Zappos say that so far, the system has empowered more people to take charge of their work goals and problems.

Zappos, which is owned by Amazon, started shifting its system two years ago. It's too early to measure the impact, but employees say the goal is to maintain a small-firm culture even as it grows.

Before she became a Zappos customer service representative, Shaea Labus managed a Lucky Brand Jeans store.

"I'd tell [staff] where to be and what their sales goals were," she says.

If there were problems, it was Labus' job to identify and solve them. At Zappos, it's her job to identify problems and goals in her job — then bring them to her circle to address.

"Instead of analyzing it from the top down, we just start where the work is," Labus says. "Is this feasible for them to do this?"

Holacracy may sound like a recipe for chaos. But in fact, meetings are highly structured. Anyone can add items to the agenda, which is documented using online software so everyone can monitor every decision. There are meeting leaders, known as "lead links," but their role is essentially limited to directing meetings according to a set of rules. They also help the circle keep track of its time and money resources.

To the uninitiated, the lingo and format of a holacratic meeting can be bewildering.

One recent meeting involved the 10 members of Zappos' arts and entertainment circle, whose mission is "to design, support and provide opportunities for employees to express their creative and artistic endeavors" — a high priority for a company that prides itself on its esprit de corps.

Participants call out agenda items — known as "tensions" in holacratic parlance — in the form of problems, projects or new ideas, which get added to a list that's projected onto a big screen. A Halloween parade, a parody dance video in the making and where to place a human-sized hamster wheel on campus all make it on the list. After a few minutes of discussion about each item, the action is tagged in online software with instructions for follow-up.

Holacratic governance is the brainchild of Brian Robertson, a serial entrepreneur who sought better ways of running his companies. He likens the system to cell biology.

"You don't have a boss cell telling the other cells what to do. Every cell has its own self-organizing process," Robertson says. "And yet, they're kind of grouped together into an organ that integrates them and itself acts as a whole entity."

Robertson says about 300 organizations — including Washington state government and companies both large and small — are using or piloting holacracy. He says it makes organizations nimble and adaptable.

But, he admits, it can be a difficult adjustment, especially for organizations accustomed to a top-down hierarchy.

"There's something almost safe and comforting, even when we don't like it, about being in a system where there's somebody else whose job it is to protect us, take care of us, nurture us," Robertson says. "And when they don't do that well, we get to be angry with them and blame them and hide behind them."

John Bunch oversees the implementation of holacracy at Zappos. Early on, he says, he struggled to get rid of his own managerial impulses.

"I found myself at times wanting to command and control things to be a specific way," he says. "But I realized that's not what we're doing here."

Bunch says although holacracy stresses individual autonomy, it's actually the group's interests that advance.

"Really what we're trying to do is turn each employee into a mini entrepreneur who has the ability to sense ideas and do something about it," he says.

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Transcript

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Last spring, the giant online shoe retailer Zappos changed how it did business. Zappos got rid of managers, replacing them with a system of self-governance by all employees. Anybody who didn't like it could take a buyout. Fourteen percent of employees did. The rest tried life without a boss, and NPR's Yuki Noguchi asked them what it looks like.

YUKI NOGUCHI, BYLINE: Jacqui Gonzalez stands beside desks festooned with streamers and toys in Zappos's customer service operation, which, in many ways, is the heart of the company.

JACQUI GONZALEZ: We are a customer service business who just happens to sell shoes.

NOGUCHI: Prior to giving tours of the Las Vegas headquarters, Gonzalez worked in customer service, where she was allowed to make her own decisions about replacing shoes or even when to send thank you flowers to customers.

GONZALEZ: We don't have to put someone on hold and ask permission. We don't have a manager that you need to be transferred to. How refreshing is that?

NOGUCHI: Zappos operates as a holacracy, a term coined by political writer Arthur Koestler. Its central tenets include individual autonomy and self-governance. In a holacracy, employees aren't told how to work. Instead, they belong to voluntary groups called circles, or peers who help vet new ideas or problems. Everyone has equal say, and employees are evaluated and rewarded by peers, instead of by a boss.

Zappos, which is owned by Amazon, started shifting its system two years ago. It's too early to measure the impact, but employees say the goal is to maintain a small-firm culture even as it grows. Customer-service worker Shaea Labus contrasts it with her previous job as a store manager, where she set sales goals for employees. At Zappos, she says people set their own agenda, then identify and solve the problems they encounter in their jobs.

SHAEA LABUS: Instead of analyzing it from the top down, we just start where the work is. Like, is this feasible for them to do this?

NOGUCHI: Holacracy may sound like a recipe for chaos. But in fact, meetings are highly structured. Anyone can add items to the agenda, which is documented using online software so everyone can monitor every decision. There are meeting leaders, known as lead links. But that person's role is essentially limited to directing meetings according to a set of rules. To the uninitiated, the lingo and format can be bewildering.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Do we have any more agenda items before we move on?

NOGUCHI: I dropped in on the arts and entertainment circle meeting, which plans events for employees - a high priority in a company that prides itself on its espirit de corps. One member opens with a discussion of a new Zappos stage.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: So I'm talking with some other circles about doing, like, a morning show, like a morning announcement every morning, like Zappos news.

NOGUCHI: The update is noted in the online system. Then discussion moves to plans for a Halloween parade and a parody dance video. Holacratic governance is the brainchild of Brian Robertson, a serial entrepreneur who sought better ways of running his companies. He likens the system to cell biology.

BRIAN ROBERTSON: You don't have a boss cell telling the other cells what to do. Every cell has its own self-organizing process. And yet, they're kind of grouped together into an organ that integrates them and itself acts as a whole entity.

NOGUCHI: Robertson says about 300 organizations are using or piloting holacracy. He says it makes organizations nimble and adaptable. But, he admits, it can be a difficult adjustment, especially for organizations accustomed to a top-down hierarchy.

ROBERTSON: There's something almost safe and comforting, even when we don't like it, about being in a system where there's somebody else whose job it is to protect us, take care of us, nurture us. And when they don't do that well, we get to be angry with them and (laughter) blame them and hide behind them.

NOGUCHI: John Bunch oversees holacracy at Zappos and admits it was hard to let go of his managerial impulse.

JOHN BUNCH: I found myself at times wanting to command and control things to be a specific way. But I realize that's not what we're doing here.

NOGUCHI: Bunch says although holacracy stresses individual autonomy, it's actually the group's interests that advance.

BUNCH: Really what we're trying to do is turn each employee into a mini-entrepreneur who has the ability to sense ideas and something about it.

NOGUCHI: And the hope is that will keep the whole company on its toes. Yuki Noguchi, NPR News, Las Vegas. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.