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From Rats To Humans, A Brain Knows When It Can't Remember

Jul 28, 2017
Originally published on July 31, 2017 5:41 pm

The human brain knows what it knows. And so, it appears, does a rat brain.

Rats have shown that they have the ability to monitor the strength of their own memories, researchers from Providence College reported this month in the journal Animal Cognition.

Brain scientists call this sort of ability metacognition. It's a concept that became famous in 2002, when then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld explained to reporters:

There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.

Rumsfeld wasn't talking about rats. But he could have been, says Michael Beran, a comparative psychologist and associate professor at Georgia State University who was not part of the research.

The new study of rats offers "consistent and clear evidence that they have these glimmerings of metacognitive monitoring," Beran says.

The finding suggests an ancient evolutionary path that eventually led to humans' highly developed ability to monitor their own thoughts. It also suggests that rats could be valuable animal models for studying diseases like Alzheimer's, which erode metacognition.

The study focused on a type of metacognition called metamemory.

It's something we depend on to get through the day, says Victoria Templer, the study's lead author and an assistant professor in the psychology department at Providence College.

"Say you're going over to a friend's house for a party and you ask yourself, do I know how to get there," Templer says. Metamemory is what allows your brain to say, "Yes, I remember the way," or "No, better check Google Maps."

It sounds like a pretty sophisticated ability. But, a few years ago, Templer found evidence that rhesus monkeys could do it. And she wondered whether rats could too.

"Their brain structures are actually very similar to ours," she says.

So Templer and a team of researchers had nine rats learn to recognize the odors of four substances: cinnamon, thyme, coffee and paprika.

In a series of experiments, the rats were first exposed to one of these odors in a cup. After a waiting period, they took a test to see if they could pick out that same odor from one of several cups.

If the rats got it right, they got a Froot Loop. If they got it wrong, they got nothing.

The next thing was to see whether the rats could use metamemory. So they were given a choice.

Option one was to search for the cup with the right odor and go for the whole Froot Loop. Option two was to skip the test altogether by choosing a clearly marked cup that always contained just a quarter of a Froot Loop. This was the "I don't know" option.

The experiment created a dilemma for each rat, Templer says. "It would rather have a quarter of a Froot Loop than nothing. But a rat's going to want a whole Froot Loop, right?"

To make the best decision, the rats would have to assess their own memories. And they did.

When they knew they remembered an odor, they went for the whole Froot Loop. When they knew they didn't remember an odor, they skipped the test and settled for a quarter of a Froot Loop.

What they generally did not do was simply guess and risk getting no Froot Loop at all.

If other studies confirm that rats possess metamemory, it could help scientists create a better animal model of Alzheimer's disease, Templer says. That's because metamemory is one of the abilities that is often impaired in Alzheimer's patients.

Even humans, though, don't have metamemory at birth, says Beran, who has been studying cognitive abilities in children between 3 and 5.

When you ask a 3-year-old whether they know who the first president was, they'll say "Yes, of course I do," Beran says. But if you ask them to name the president they'll say, "I don't know."

"By the time a child is five or six, you start to see them do things like pause when being asked a question," Beran says. That's metamemory kicking in. And then, if they don't know the answer they'll say so, he says.

Rats and people probably use metamemory in very different ways, Beran says. For a rat, it's about knowing whether you remember that predator in the distance; for people, metamemory is more likely to help us navigate social interactions.

"I'm notorious," Beran says, "for walking across campus and seeing a former student and immediately knowing that I know who she is, but also knowing that I don't know her name right now."

That's a situation Donald Rumsfeld might call a "known unknown."

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ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:

The human brain knows what it knows. Brain scientists call this awareness of our own thoughts metacognition. It's a concept that Donald Rumsfeld, the former secretary of defense, memorably explained to reporters this way.

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DONALD RUMSFELD: There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.

SHAPIRO: NPR's Jon Hamilton reports that scientists now have a better understanding of where this remarkable ability came from and how it works all thanks to a study of rats.

JON HAMILTON, BYLINE: The human brain spends a lot of time monitoring what we know. And Victoria Templer of Providence College says that's really useful.

VICTORIA TEMPLER: Say you're going over to a friend's house for a party and you ask yourself, do I know how to get there?

HAMILTON: Templer says our brains instantly know whether to say, yes, I remember the way, or, no, better check Google Maps. This awareness of our own memories is a special type of metacognition. It's called metamemory. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated ability, but Templer found evidence that rhesus monkeys could do it. And she wondered whether rats could, too.

TEMPLER: Their brain structures are actually very similar to ours.

HAMILTON: Templer had nine rats learn to recognize several odors.

TEMPLER: Cinnamon, thyme, coffee...

HAMILTON: And paprika. First the rats were exposed to one of these odors in a cup. A bit later, they took a test to see if they could pick out that same odor among several cups. If the rats got it right, they got a Froot Loop. If they got it wrong, they got nothing. The next step was to see whether the rats could use metamemory.

TEMPLER: So they're given the choice - do you want to answer this memory question...

HAMILTON: And try for the whole Froot Loop.

TEMPLER: ...Or do you want to not take that memory test at all and get a less-preferred but guaranteed reward?

HAMILTON: A quarter of a Froot Loop, which would indicate that they knew they didn't know. Templer says this created a dilemma for each rat.

TEMPLER: It would rather have a quarter of a Froot Loop than nothing. But a rat's going to want a whole Froot Loop, right?

HAMILTON: To make the best decision, the rats would have to assess their own memories. And Templer reports in the journal Animal Cognition that they did. When animals knew they remembered an odor, they went for the whole Froot Loop. When they knew they didn't remember an odor, they skipped the test and settled for a quarter of a Froot Loop. What they didn't do much was simply guess and risk no Froot Loop at all. Templer says knowing that rats possess metamemory could have practical applications.

TEMPLER: It can help us hopefully have an animal model to study memory dysfunction in - you know, for early-stage drug trials.

HAMILTON: To find treatments for diseases like Alzheimer's, which often affects a person's metamemory. The finding also suggests an evolutionary path from a primitive ability in rats to humans' highly developed ability to monitor their own thoughts. Michael Beran of Georgia State University studies the cognitive abilities of primates. He says even humans aren't born with metamemory.

MICHAEL BERAN: So you'll ask a child at 3, do you know who the first president was? And they'll say, yes, of course I do. Who is it? I don't know. Whereas by time a child is 5 or 6, you start to see them do things like pause when being asked a question. Well, do you know who the first president was? And you'll see that pause, and then they'll go, no, I don't; who was it?

HAMILTON: Beran says rats and people probably use metamemory in very different ways. He says for a rat, it's about knowing whether you remember that predator in the distance. For people, he says, metamemory is more likely to help us navigate social interactions.

BERAN: I'm notorious for walking across campus and seeing a former student and immediately knowing that I know who she is but also knowing that I don't know her name right now.

HAMILTON: A situation Donald Rumsfeld might call a known unknown. Jon Hamilton, NPR News.

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