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Monday's Debate Latest In History Of (Sometimes) Memorable Encounters

Sep 24, 2016

For months now, Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump have been sparring at each other from afar. On Monday they'll do it face to face, on a stage at Hofstra University on Long Island in New York.

Debates have been a mainstay of presidential campaigns, it seems forever. But that's not quite the case: The first general election debate didn't occur until 1960, in a Chicago TV studio, between Vice President Richard M. Nixon and Senator John F. Kennedy.

Monday's debate between Clinton and Trump will take place on the 56th anniversary of that first debate.

NBC's Lester Holt will moderate. And there's already been a lot of talk about how he'll go about it, especially regarding whether he should be fact-checking the candidates' answers. The co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates, Republican Frank Fahrenkopf, doesn't think so.

Fahrenkopf says if "Candidate A" says something that is wrong or inconsistent with what they've done or said in the past, "it's not the moderators job to say, 'hey, Candidate A, that's not what you said last week.' That's for Candidate B to do."

Bob Schieffer agrees. The former CBS News anchor moderated three presidential debates. At a panel discussion at the University of Notre Dame recently, he said in his view "the role of the moderator is to be the referee, it's not to be a judge." Schieffer says the moderator's role is to conduct a discussion that gives viewers "a fuller understanding of what these people think on various subjects."

Monday's 90-minute debate will be divided into three parts: America's Direction, Achieving Prosperity, and Securing America.

The candidates will stand at podiums. In at least one previous debate, that was a sticking point. In 1988, there was a rather big height disparity between democrat Michael Dukakis and the much taller George H.W. Bush.

Fahrenkopf says the commission solved the problem by building what he called "a pitcher's mound" behind the Dukakis podium. That way, Fahrenkopf says, when Dukakis stood at the podium, "the top of podium hit him at the same level as it hit Bush."

Sometimes debates are campaign turning points. In 1984, Ronald Reagan's age — at 73, he was the country's oldest president — became an issue after he seemed unfocused during that campaign's first debate.

In the second, though, he nimbly turned a question about his age into an advantage — and a jab at his Democratic challenger, Walter Mondale — by quipping, "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Debates can also provide lasting images that can reinforce perceptions of a candidate. In 1992, George H.W. Bush was criticized after he glanced at his watch during a debate, as though he had somewhere better to be. In 2000, Democrat Al Gore's theatrical sighs while listening to Republican George W. Bush were mocked.

And four years ago, Republican Mitt Romney awkwardly responded to a question about hiring more women in government, saying that as governor of Massachusetts he went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women."

Will there be any such memorable moments on Monday? We'll see. It's expected to be one of most widely watched debates ever on TV, with millions more streaming it on their portable devices.

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Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have been sparring and sniping with one another from afar for months now. Monday night, they'll be able to do it face to face at the first of three presidential debates - takes place at Hofstra University on Long Island in New York. NPR's Brian Naylor reports on what we might expect.

BRIAN NAYLOR, BYLINE: Debates have been a mainstay of presidential campaigns it seems forever, but that's not quite the case. The first general election debate didn't even occur until 1960 in a Chicago TV studio.

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HOWARD SMITH: The candidates need no introduction. The Republican candidate, Vice President Richard M. Nixon, and the Democratic candidate, Senator John F. Kennedy.

NAYLOR: Monday's debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will take place on the 56th anniversary of that first debate. NBC's Lester Holt will moderate, and there's already been a lot of talk about how he'll go about it. Should he be fact-checking the candidates answers? The co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates, Republican Frank Fahrenkopf, doesn't think so.

FRANK FAHRENKOPF: So if candidate A says something that is wrong or inconsistent with what they've done or said in the past, it's not the moderator's job to say, hey, candidate A, that's not what you said last week. That's for candidate B to do. That's what a debate is all about.

NAYLOR: Bob Schieffer agrees. The former CBS news anchor moderated three presidential debates. He told a panel discussion at the University of Notre Dame recently how he approached the task.

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BOB SCHIEFFER: I think the role of the moderator is to be the referee. It's not to be a judge. You're trying to conduct a discussion that, you know, gives people a fuller understanding of what these people think on various subjects.

NAYLOR: Monday's 90-minute debate will be divided into three parts - the direction of America, achieving prosperity and securing America. The candidates will stand at podiums. In at least one previous debate, that was a sticking point leading up to the event. In 1988, there was a rather big height disparity between Republican George H. W. Bush and Democrat Michael Dukakis as Fahrenkopf recalls.

FAHRENKOPF: Bush was 6'2" and Michael Dukakis on a good day was 5'6" or 5'7" and what we did then is we built a pitcher's mound behind the Dukakis podium so when he was standing at the podium the top of the podium hit him at the same level as it hit George Herbert Walker Bush.

NAYLOR: Sometimes debates are turning points. In 1984, Ronald Reagan's age became an issue after he seemed unfocused during the first debate. In the second, though, he nimbly turned a question about his age to his advantage and a jab at his Democratic challenger, Walter Mondale.

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FORMER US PRES RONALD REAGAN: I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience.

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NAYLOR: Debates can also provide lasting images that can reinforce perceptions of a candidate. In 1992, George H. W. Bush was criticized after he glanced at his watch during a debate as though he had somewhere better to be. In 2000, Democrat Al Gore's theatrical sighs while listening to Republican George W. Bush were mocked. And four years ago, there was this awkward response by Republican Mitt Romney to a question about hiring more females in government.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MITT ROMNEY: I went to a number of women's groups and said, can you help us find folks? And they brought us whole binders full of women.

NAYLOR: Will there be any such memorable moments on Monday? We'll see. It's expected to be one of the most widely watched debates ever on TV with millions more streaming it on their portable devices. Brian Naylor, NPR News, Washington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.