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In Apple-FBI Fight, Congress Considers Aggressive And Measured Approaches

Feb 25, 2016
Originally published on February 25, 2016 10:06 am

While Apple and the FBI fight in court over the government's demand that the tech company to help it break into the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino shooters, Congress is trying to find its own solution to the digital security/national security debate.

Lawmakers' best hope for consensus may be that Washington staple, a commission — like the one outlined Wednesday by Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., and Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas. It would be modeled on the panel Congress formed to investigate security break downs prior to Sept. 11.

McCaul says that he knows some will be skeptical of the idea, as he himself initially was, but that he considers it the best response available right now.

"There is no easy, knee-jerk, legislative response at this time," he says, but adds that leaving the issue alone isn't a good choice either. "If Congress does nothing, as some would advocate ... and we get hit in the United States with a Paris-style attack? I don't want that on my hands."

If Congress approves the commission — which Apple says it supports — McCaul and Warner want to include members from law enforcement, the tech industry, privacy advocates and the Obama administration. The panel would issue an interim report in six months and a final set of recommendations in a year.

Warner says it's something Congress already should have done.

"In many ways the current litigation that's taking place might not have been needed if we'd had this kind of approach a few years back," says Warner, adding that he fears that the sides are "talking past each other."

Warner says the commission's work will go beyond the Apple-FBI battle that's now making news — that, he says, will be settled in court — to instead focus on broader digital versus national security issues that need to be settled by Congress. There is no consensus on what action, if any, that Congress should take — though there already are clear sides being taken by legislators.

On one side are national security hawks, including Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who is critical of Apple for fighting the court order.

"I didn't think a company would set itself above the law," she says, "particularly a California-based company like Apple — which is a great company. And I still hope they will reconsider."

Feinstein, the senior democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, is working on a bill with the panel's chairman, Republican Richard Burr of North Carolina. It would force companies like Apple to help prosecutors unlock the phones of criminal suspects.

She says she is fine with a commission exploring solutions to the matter, which she says does not "contravene passing a bill ... which simply says everyone must cooperate if there is a probable cause court warrant."

But intelligence committee member Ron Wyden, D-Ore., says such a bill would not be the right approach for lawmakers to take.

"I'm very, very opposed to any legislation that would force companies to weaken the security of their products," he says, "and that would include legislation that would criminalize strong encryption or force companies to stockpile encryption keys."

Wyden says even if Congress were to weaken encryption protections in the United States, there are plenty of foreign encryption apps available that would allow bad guys to get around that law. Wyden has asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to review Don't Panic, a report produced by Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet & Society, which argues that much data usable by law enforcement is currently unencrypted and likely to remain so.

Wyden says he too could support a commission, as long as it's not "stacked" in favor of law enforcement.

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Now let's follow up on the debate over an iPhone - the phone the FBI has asked Apple to crack open because it was used by a San Bernardino shooter. A court is deciding that issue. But on this program the other day, a key senator said a court is the wrong place. Angus King said in that case where tech companies must undo encryption, there are big public issues, so Congress should consider new laws. Lawmakers are discussing just that as NPR's Brian Naylor reports.

BRIAN NAYLOR, BYLINE: On one side of the debate on Capitol Hill are the national security hawks like Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. She is critical of Apple for fighting the court order. I caught up with her in a senate lobby next to some elevators.

DIANNE FEINSTEIN: I didn't think a company would set itself above the law, particularly a California-based company like Apple, which is a great company. And I still hope that they will reconsider.

NAYLOR: Feinstein, the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, is working on a bill with the panel's chairman, Republican Richard Burr of North Carolina. It would force companies like Apple to help prosecutors unlock the phones of criminal suspects. But Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon, another Intelligence Committee member, says that's not the right approach for lawmakers to take.

RON WYDEN: I'm very, very opposed to any legislation that would force companies to weaken the security of their products. And that would include legislation that would criminalize strong encryption or force companies to stockpile encryption keys.

NAYLOR: Wyden says even if Congress were to weaken encryption protections in the U.S., there are plenty of foreign encryption apps available that the bad guys could turn to to get around that law. So what consensus there is on this issue is behind a commission proposed by Democratic Senator Mark Warner of Virginia and Republican Congressman Michael McCaul of Texas. It would be modeled on the panel Congress formed to investigate security breakdowns prior to 9/11. Skeptics say a commission, which Apple says it supports, is Washington's way to bury a problem. McCaul says he gets that but defends the proposal.

MICHAEL MCCAUL: There is no easy, knee-jerk legislative response at this time, which is why I'm not a big commission guy either. I was skeptical myself. But this is, in my judgment, the best response. And the fact of the matter is if Congress says nothing - as some would advocate that we do nothing on this issue - and we get hit in the United States with a Paris-style attack, I don't want that on my hands.

NAYLOR: If Congress approves it, the commission McCaul and Warner propose would have members from law enforcement, the tech industry, privacy advocates and the Obama administration. It would issue an interim report in six months and a final set of recommendations in a year. Warner says it's something Congress should already have done.

MARK WARNER: In many ways, the current litigation that's taking place might not have been needed if we'd had this kind of approach a few years back. My fear is that we're talking past each other.

NAYLOR: Warner says the commission's work will be much broader than the Apple-FBI battle that's now making news. That, he says, will be settled in court. But the broader digital versus national security issue will have to be settled at some point by Congress. Brian Naylor, NPR News, Washington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.